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		<title>By: COTOHA</title>
		<link>http://erka.kpumuk.info/development/ghost-developer/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>COTOHA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what you've just said is nothing. "i got something to put someone from somewhere to anywhere"

how do you think you can use this "joker"? i want some concrete usecase...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what you&#8217;ve just said is nothing. &#8220;i got something to put someone from somewhere to anywhere&#8221;</p>
<p>how do you think you can use this &#8220;joker&#8221;? i want some concrete usecase&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: erka</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ukraine is very strange country. Sometimes people may do anything that they want. You must have a good counter-evidence for returning them to real world. I think this joker is a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ukraine is very strange country. Sometimes people may do anything that they want. You must have a good counter-evidence for returning them to real world. I think this joker is a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: &#1053;&#1086;&#1074;&#1086;&#1089;&#1090;&#1080; 2.0</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: COTOHA</title>
		<link>http://erka.kpumuk.info/development/ghost-developer/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>COTOHA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW - what are benefits of "joker"?</description>
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		<title>By: COTOHA</title>
		<link>http://erka.kpumuk.info/development/ghost-developer/comment-page-1/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>COTOHA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>weird topic :) 

ok. We may think on how 'ghosting' affects its players - customer, company and developer. 

For the first sight it may looks like developer and customer are cheated here but although this kicks off developer's CV 'ghosting' is not too much evil for "developers" and "customers".

&lt;strong&gt;CUSTOMER&lt;/strong&gt;. Customer on the whole is interested in product quality and if it is good then no one even think of checking for ghosts and if it is bad then even people with 5-star CVs working on a project is not an excuse for a company. So "customer" (assuming he gets good product) looses nothing. 

&lt;strong&gt;COMPANY&lt;/strong&gt;. The main beneficiary party here is of course "company". While getting a little risk of being discovered it gets several good pros:

&lt;ul&gt;
 &lt;li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"&gt; Being able to assign inexperienced developer in a project where customer wants (wants - not needs) guru one. This case is VERY common as almost all customers wants guru to add one small JSP to his site :). Also this case also often moves to fake resumes with developer's real name.&lt;/li&gt;
 &lt;li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"&gt; Seamless replacement of a developer in full-time development project where for some reason developer has gone. This is a case when for example developer is ill/left the company/fired and company doesn't want (i bet it doesn't) to loose money for a transaction period. After a new developer working under the name of another has studied the project enough he is often "replaced" with himself for customer.&lt;/li&gt;
 &lt;li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"&gt; Anti headhunting - in this case you are not a pure ghost but you are working as devXXX so seems very similar. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;strong&gt; DEVELOPER&lt;/strong&gt;. As i can see in the post above main cons of being a ghost is impossibility to add the project to your CV... Well it is so but... do you know how many really interesting offshore projects are done w/o NDA? Not many and those that are do not require ghosting. Voila! Almost all of the projects you're working on as ghost can not be added to your CV so relax. Moreover - the company also can't add it to its success-stories. Ce la vie :(
And the most interesting part of the story - did you read what you signed upon hiring? it's about 70% you can not disclosure any information (thus can not add anything to CV except for "working for company XXX as major JAVA developer").
i think i've degraded CVs weight now let's see the pros you've missed:
&lt;ul&gt;
 &lt;li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"&gt; ability to work w/o proper experience.&lt;/li&gt;
 &lt;li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"&gt; no obligations. As you are a ghost you can switch to another project (this not only where "company" can  hook the fish).&lt;/li&gt;
 &lt;li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"&gt; you can still add the project to the CV as "large enterprise application". &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>weird topic <img src='http://erka.kpumuk.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>ok. We may think on how &#8216;ghosting&#8217; affects its players - customer, company and developer. </p>
<p>For the first sight it may looks like developer and customer are cheated here but although this kicks off developer&#8217;s CV &#8216;ghosting&#8217; is not too much evil for &#8220;developers&#8221; and &#8220;customers&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>CUSTOMER</strong>. Customer on the whole is interested in product quality and if it is good then no one even think of checking for ghosts and if it is bad then even people with 5-star CVs working on a project is not an excuse for a company. So &#8220;customer&#8221; (assuming he gets good product) looses nothing. </p>
<p><strong>COMPANY</strong>. The main beneficiary party here is of course &#8220;company&#8221;. While getting a little risk of being discovered it gets several good pros:</p>
<ul>
<li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"> Being able to assign inexperienced developer in a project where customer wants (wants - not needs) guru one. This case is VERY common as almost all customers wants guru to add one small JSP to his site :). Also this case also often moves to fake resumes with developer&#8217;s real name.</li>
<li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"> Seamless replacement of a developer in full-time development project where for some reason developer has gone. This is a case when for example developer is ill/left the company/fired and company doesn&#8217;t want (i bet it doesn&#8217;t) to loose money for a transaction period. After a new developer working under the name of another has studied the project enough he is often &#8220;replaced&#8221; with himself for customer.</li>
<li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"> Anti headhunting - in this case you are not a pure ghost but you are working as devXXX so seems very similar. </li>
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<p><strong> DEVELOPER</strong>. As i can see in the post above main cons of being a ghost is impossibility to add the project to your CV&#8230; Well it is so but&#8230; do you know how many really interesting offshore projects are done w/o NDA? Not many and those that are do not require ghosting. Voila! Almost all of the projects you&#8217;re working on as ghost can not be added to your CV so relax. Moreover - the company also can&#8217;t add it to its success-stories. Ce la vie <img src='http://erka.kpumuk.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
And the most interesting part of the story - did you read what you signed upon hiring? it&#8217;s about 70% you can not disclosure any information (thus can not add anything to CV except for &#8220;working for company XXX as major JAVA developer&#8221;).<br />
i think i&#8217;ve degraded CVs weight now let&#8217;s see the pros you&#8217;ve missed:</p>
<ul>
<li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"> ability to work w/o proper experience.</li>
<li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"> no obligations. As you are a ghost you can switch to another project (this not only where &#8220;company&#8221; can  hook the fish).</li>
<li style="border:#FFF 0px solid;"> you can still add the project to the CV as &#8220;large enterprise application&#8221;. </li>
</ul>
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		<title>By: emp</title>
		<link>http://erka.kpumuk.info/development/ghost-developer/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>emp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, some companies have a lot of ghosts, like an abandoned Gold Mine from HoM&#38;M =) but unfortunately newbies have no choice - you have to make money, so you do a job w/o thinking about CV or something else, as salary takes 1st place. If you refuse to work as ghost, then you can be fired very soon. Ce la vie, messieurs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, some companies have a lot of ghosts, like an abandoned Gold Mine from HoM&amp;M =) but unfortunately newbies have no choice - you have to make money, so you do a job w/o thinking about CV or something else, as salary takes 1st place. If you refuse to work as ghost, then you can be fired very soon. Ce la vie, messieurs</p>
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		<title>By: Offshoring IT Services</title>
		<link>http://erka.kpumuk.info/development/ghost-developer/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Offshoring IT Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good tips, especially on researching prior to starting off on offshoring projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good tips, especially on researching prior to starting off on offshoring projects.</p>
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